So I'd say this is not necessarily urgent/pressing, but it is an important part of the discussion. Regardless of what the consensus on this topic is, I feel that if we are reaching a point in which a formal proposal is made down the line, then this should be ironed out and agreed upon in order to be a part of that proposal so the tier leaders can formally discuss and vote come the appropriate time. This does leave abilities such as Effect Spore in play still, but I am not sure if we will widen our scope to that or just focus solely on move bans, potentially letting multiple Pokemon fall asleep from Effect Spore much like we then would with Relic Song or Secret Power. Given this, I assume you would want to take it a step further and define it as " moves that induce sleep on the opponent and nothing else", which lets you cover Sleep Powder, Hypnosis, Spore, Grass Whistle, Dark Void, Lovely Kiss, etc., but not the aforementioned fringe cases. On top of that, moves such as Psycho Shift, when paired with Rest and Sleep Talk, or even Secret Power, when paired with the appropriate terrain, can induce sleep. From there, moves such as Relic Song, which has a 10% chance to induce sleep that gets boosted to 20% with Serene Grace from Meloetta, can potentially be problematic. Obviously, this is not intended and we can change it to "non-self sleep inducing moves" or "opponent/target pokemon sleep-inducing moves". I don't see the downsides of simplifying this to a simple ban on all sleep-inducing moves but I'd be interested in hearing the objections if there are any.Ĭlick to expand.How do we define a "sleep-inducing move" in this context then? Given the current phrasing, moves such as Rest, which induces sleep on yourself, would be included. TL DR: Unrestricted Sleep is broken we currently enforce a complex clause that breaks cartridge mechanics. HP Percentage Clause is a convenience clause that cannot be replaced with a simple ban.) Relic Song is no different from Ice Beam and is almost certainly not broken, even without sleep clause, in any Smogon Tier, and can always be dealt with later if it is. (Please refrain from derailing this thread with Relic Song / HP Percentage Clause this is not the thread to discuss either of these. To paraphrase a quote from the Baton Pass thread, just because Sleep is not currently broken as claused doesn't mean that we shouldn't aim to simplify the banlist for future generations. Banning Baton Pass was an excellent decision that vastly simplified the banlist even if there existed clauses that could keep a neutered version of Baton Pass around, we chose a blanket ban on Baton Pass because it was simple and easy to enforce. The closest parallels to Sleep Clause were the former "Baton Pass Clauses" that were removed in favor of a blanket ban on Baton Pass. This is a proposal for future generations, and for all Smogon Tiers I'm not interested in affecting Sleep Clause in Generation 7 or any past generations and this proposal is for any tier that is currently on track to have Sleep Clause for Gen 8. Click to expand.Why does Sleep Clause get to be an exception? Sleep Clause is widespread across Smogon Metagames for mostly historical reasons, even though it no longer is an option on cartridge and is the only Smogon clause that cannot be enforced on cartridge.
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